“Wait, So is this a romantic date?” Podcast Episode 209: Bottoming with Chingy | Autostraddle

Why don’t we earn some noise for any bottoms inside your home! (It’s me, the base in the home.) Bottom heritage is very something™ on the web lately! But what will it truly suggest to be a bottom? Precisely why has the culture decided bottoming is just getting afraid to inquire about for just what need? And just how does one go about determining when they like bottoming?!

Along with these concerns rattling around our very own brains, requiring responses, Drew and that I knew there was clearly only 1 person we can easily visit for a rounded, enthusiastic talk about bottoming: The Gay Chingy AKA Chingy Nea, AKA the base Supreme. Chingy is amongst the best men and women I’m sure writing and tweeting now, and also as a bottom myself, I am honored to call her my chief. Chingy allows us to tease out just what it means to be a bottom, precisely why she dislikes “smol bean” bottom part culture, the body as hole, as well as your human anatomy as

whole

. Its a truly breathtaking conversation, basically perform say-so myself! Kindly understand that i know that I state “gorgeous” around three thousand times this episode, I am also getting support for my personal condition. (the disorder is talking like 57 year-old white gay guy.)

And! This week’s online game requires myself guessing if difficult plots Drew describes fit in with a motion picture or an aspiration she had circa 2006. It is not easy!


SHOW RECORDS

+ Read Chingy’s
Bottom Manifesto
, follow the woman
on Twitter
and
IG
!

+here’s a list of the films that Drew included in her game:


  • The Seventh Seal

    (1937)

  • Bringing Up Kid

    (1938)


  • Pierrot ce Fou


    (1965)

  • Black Swan

    (2010)

+Watch Anna athena faris pictures perform some most useful work of the woman profession in

Smiley Face!


+Let

Shohreh Aghdashloo chat one to sleep while dressed as Chrisjen


Avasarala


from

The Expanse

as you deserve that.


+Cindy Wilson of The B52s is quite hot and honestly? “Love Shack” still whips!


+
Robert Mitchum
, stone-cold fox.



EPISODE


Chingy

: I’ve simply already been bottoming since I was, I am not sure, dating back to i will recall.


Drew

: Cue Rags to Riches from

Goodfellas.


Chingy

: As far back as i will keep in mind, I always planned to be a base, no, but type of

[intro plays]


Drew

: Hi, I Am Drew.


Christina

: I’m Christina.


Drew

: This is

Wait, Is It a night out together

?


Christina

:

Hold off, Is This a romantic date?

is actually an Autostraddle podcast aimed at the one, the sole the largest concern of one’s times: hold off, Is it a Date?


Drew

: And, wow, I really merely froze upwards truth be told there.


Christina

: I was like, oh shit, I found myself likely to state some thing! [laughs]


Drew

: i am really fast into the banter, my personal mind merely… the fact is that I happened to be reading over my game notes, which we aren’t at but because we still have to introduce ourselves. So, i will attempt to stay concentrated on one task each time.


Christina

: Focus upwards!


Drew

: i’m Drew Gregory, Im an author for Autostraddle, and a filmmaker, and a trans girl.


Christina

: Hi, I am Christina Tucker, forgot my personal final title for a hot minute, no big deal. I am in addition a writer at Autostraddle and other locations online, a podcaster, a gay black girl. That’s types of it, puppy, that is me personally.


Drew

: i enjoy it. Okay, now we-


Christina

: Now the game.


Drew

: are we able to have fun with the video game?


Christina

: Can we get right to the online game? I am able to tell you’re thrilled, I could tell you’re just vibrating.


Drew

: So, I’ve been maintaining an aspiration journal since 2007, and idea for this online game is actually-


Christina

: I did not understand this in regards to you!


Drew

: Yes, it’s not as up to date today, we used to take note of all my dreams now it’s only when something truly sticks. But, the assumption with this online game is actually, am we describing the story of an aspiration I got while I had been an adolescent, or was we explaining the plot of a movie that I liked when I was an adolescent?


Christina

: Oh guy, fine.


Drew

: therefore, ways it is going to get is we’ll always explain it as a dream along with 1st individual. Very, if it ended up being

Celebrity Wars,

I would wind up as, I’m in space and I’m combating as part of a rebellion, so there’s a wicked  man who is sporting a black colored robot match and it also works out he’s my father. Which is the way I’ll explain it, the manner by which we describe ambitions, but often it is a dream, sometimes it’ll be from a motion picture. Ready?


Christina

: I’m some thing, I don’t know that i am prepared, but let us stone. Why don’t we see just what I can do here.


Drew

: Okay, I’m on a coastline and I also see this odd man wearing black. He informs me that he’s Death therefore can play a casino game to choose easily stay or if he takes me personally. We find a way to break free, but everywhere I go, people are ill and I also feel like dying continues to be soon after me.The only happy component happens when We satisfy a theater troupe and they’re lots of fun.


Christina

: This,I think, is actually a dream.


Drew

: this could be Ingmar Bergman’s

The Seventh Seal

from 1957.


Christina

: that is likely to be a real gotcha on CT’s traditional film information, because everything I realize that Drew, within puberty, was not carrying out was actually watching movies that i’ll identify. At this time, I’m variety of wanting that I have seen none of them. I do believe which will be more enjoyable for me.


Drew

: Another one, i am interviewing my loved ones plus some Italian US gangsters. Among the gangsters requires that we provide over some funds, but my loved ones and that I managed to escape. We escape through all this arctic surface, on the road I fulfill an actress and connect with the girl. We end up in a suburb. I believe we’re going to begin another existence together until she takes us to a large residence, and that I realize it is one of the gangster. It absolutely was all a trap, the gangster shows up so there’s a confrontation. We eliminate him, the fantasy finishes because of the celebrity doing a musical number.


Christina

: Is it a movie?


Drew

: this will be an aspiration I’d in 2008.


Christina

: Okay, wow. Boy, yeah, i assume I have to just remember that , it’s 2000, it is old school Drew head. That is what i need to keep in mind.


Drew

: Also similar, what films ended up being we watching at that time as well as how much performed that effect my goals?


Christina

: Well, yeah, demonstrably quite a bit!


Drew

: an enjoyable truth is that I became in fact, i did not include this simply because I was thinking this would give it out, nevertheless gangster was Tony Soprano because I became viewing

The Sopranos

in 2008. So, which is a great small fact. Okay, next one, We have a significant project, but this hot lady turns up and begins sidetracking myself. I wish to end up being with her, but In addition really need to get my work completed, therefore I inform the lady to leave. She helps to keep soon after myself. Out of the blue, a leopard seems in my own room and I have to spend the remaining fantasy wanting to catch the leopard. I am nonetheless truly nervous, I never ever finish could work, but no less than the girl is hot.


Christina

: it has to get a dream of yours, it’s becoming a Drew fantasy.


Drew

: This Might Be Howard Hawks’

Discussing Child

from 1938.


Christina

: No, but that is an aspiration you have, that’s the most Drew dream I’ve have you ever heard. Today at this stage, I’m only will be spinning movie record, to suit my personal whims.


Drew

: Great, i really like that. Okay, I’m at a celebration and I don’t enjoy anybody there. At long last, I see this lady, I once had a crush on and now we choose keep together. We choose her residence, however they are chased off through this gang of males who are wanting to eliminate the girl. We finish on a beach plus it seems like we are going to end up being ok before males find united states. She ends up becoming into this other man, therefore I take cartoonish dynamite and decide to blow me up


Christina

: Film.


Drew

: this really is! This might be Jean Luc Goddard’s

Pierrot ce Fou

, from 1965.


Christina

: have-not seen, but that appears like a ding dang motion picture if you ask me.


Drew

: Great, Everyone loves it. Absolutely a narration explaining a strange boat like framework which is impractical to wreck. I want on a retreat close to the structure, the escape is sort of movie theater connected, sort of spiritual. We have a crush about this woman from the retreat, but she’s a boyfriend. Amid the shows and rituals, there’s a lot of crisis between me personally this lady along with her date, it finishes with me by yourself. There have been a sequence revealing your motorboat design is impractical to damage because a mechanical arm fixes it in the night.


Christina

: that would be anything in many steps, i will say flick again, then?


Drew

: It is a dream from 2011, that did have narration from someone else, you are aware, it occurs!


Christina

: This is really great promo to possess a dream record, because personally i think think its great is enjoyable if I could remember my hopes and dreams in this way.


Drew

: no body really likes when you explain your hopes and dreams to them. I really do however, and that I’m your friend, when you would you like to record your own dreams and let me know, I would personally want to learn about all of them.


Christina

: Okay, which is really nice to hear.


Drew

: i’ve two a lot more.


Christina

: Okay.


Drew

: i am in a beautiful yard with a small grouping of friends, most of us seem to be getting out of bed from being drugged. We’re obligated to shower in an acid that empties pigment and then we end up as gothic and blue-eyed. The people in charge start training you to kill, it turns out this one is being run by a crazy dictator, we resist obtaining entirely brainwashed. There is this lady here I have a crush on and I also persuade the girl to escape with me, while escaping I get recorded and slain, nevertheless the girl gets away. Whenever she makes the jail, she knows we’re in the middle of a forest so there’s nowhere commit.


Christina

: Movie.


Drew

: That would be the first fantasy inside my fantasy record from, we mentioned, “2007.” Is in reality 2006.


Christina

: Wow.


Drew

: I always thought it was fascinating that we pass away inside the dream, nevertheless the other individual goes on on. However, absolutely some odd gender material happening there, and I also’m going to must contemplate this one for a time.


Christina

: Definitely accomplish that.


Drew

: Okay, I have yet another.


Christina

: Okay.


Drew

: i am because of the chance to end up being a ballerina, my mommy claims I won’t manage to do so. There’s this other woman inside the tv series whom i believe is actually hot, but I’m worried she’s going to replace myself. I am battling in rehearsal, but end up making because of the girl, we attach. It’s really hot, but I believe me losing control, we return to the dance show. My human body seems to be morphing into something else, i am concerned that i’ll mess up.


Christina

: This is a movie.


Drew

: Therefore,

Black Swan

.


Christina

: Yes, this is certainly

Black Swan

, undoubtedly.


Drew

: Have you seen

Black Swan

? That has been one I imagined you’ve observed.


Christina

: I’ve come across

Ebony Swan

, I… Fun fact, we went on a date with a person to see

Dark Swan

.


Drew

: Wow.


Christina

: merely straight things I did.


Drew

: that was that like?


Christina

: Weird, it had been weird.


Drew

: Did you just like the motion picture? Did he like the motion picture?


Christina

: i do believe, I got already viewed it, i do believe I happened to be like, “Let’s get view it once more.” In my opinion, I happened to be extremely pro

Dark Swan,

as well as straight heterosexual explanations, truly.


Drew

: Sure, okay.


Christina

: And, he had been like, “That was unusual.” And I also was actually want, “Oh well, we aren’t gonna consistently big date.”


Drew

: Wow, really If only him a, I’m hoping he is somewhere doing well. Many thanks for playing this game beside me.


Christina

: Wow, I’m very grateful I went two for nevertheless lots of we did on that.


Drew

: perhaps not awful.


Christina

: Not bad.


Drew

: You did much better than Elise did as I wished to find out if this was a practical video game which could operate, and she had been my guinea-pig. Very, she just got one right.


Christina

: Fair enough.


Drew

: Should we move on to all of our main subject in the week?


Christina

: Let’s enter it, let us get this unique visitor in.


Drew

: Well, i do want to 1st point out that our primary subject for the few days is actually bottoming, therefore we could have only one very special visitor.


Christina

: its only 1 individual.


Drew

: Could you please introduce your self?


Chingy

: Hi, I’m Chingy Nea, otherwise known as The Gay Chingy. Im a Writer, Filmmaker, and gasian leather-based dyke muppet. Im additionally America’s number 1 bottom.


Christina

: Yes, In my opinion once we were discussing topics and then we’re like, “we can easily speak about bottoming so there’s practically one person we’re able to have on the pod to achieve this, there’s singular individual that is fairly literally the Supreme.”


Chingy

: Thank you so much for identifying, it feels very good having your own wonder acknowledged, thank you


Christina

: Yes, and you also’ve completed fantastic work, and right here we are identifying it.


Drew

: i do want to know once you feel like you became The united states’s biggest bottom. When ended up being that a word and a label and an identity you really conducted onto?


Chingy

: Well, thus I typically only say, “i am underneath Supreme.” Because, just who cares about The united states?


Drew

: Yes.


Christina

: Fair adequate.


Chingy

: Yeah, i believe that i really was effective in bottoming, but then in 2017 or something, I visited a play celebration that has been simply for fem top sadists beating me personally upwards for six to seven hours directly, and it was just me, and I had been like, “Oh, I’m the most effective which is previously already been.” Then, In my opinion from that point, i recently kept escalating and being, wow, I’m very fun to look at. Wow, i am very entertaining as a bottom, this is exactly wow, everybody just who gets to top me is really happy. And, it just went from that point, i do believe, following I wrote an article also known as I’m A Much Better Bottom versus You. Listed Here Is The Reason Why. It absolutely was type a manifesto, it had been a bottom manifesto.


Christina

: Yes, can verify.


Chingy

: And, people have actually explained, “its altered how they look at sex.” And, i love that a lot. It is the one post on my site that I created there. I’ve created at

Vice

,

Teen Fashion

,

Vulture

—

Autostraddle

ended up being initial spot we published, really. But yeah, this is the one weblog to my internet site, if you’d like to investigate for yourself.


Christina

: Everyone loves a good brand, i enjoy once you understand a brand, and I also genuinely believe that’s actually attractive, merely, brand management of your own personal bottomy your self. In my opinion, that is really breathtaking observe.


Chingy

: many thanks, i obtained my personal basic writing possibility at

Autostraddle

because I found myself writing about being a bottom, being poly, and being actually strong into becoming a leather dyke. And because after that, I started initially to reveal a lot of other stuff, but being bottom part great just form of may be the one through collection of everything.


Christina

: Yes.


Drew

: I additionally feel like you are an extremely active bottom in addition to in the manner that you write on, and mention, and I think experience bottoming that you are really energetic. While, I think there’s lots of the queer area, maybe, particularly the lesbian area, that possibly thinks of bottoming as… I am not sure-


Chingy:

Passivity

.


Christina

: Mm-hmm

(Affirmative)

.


Drew

: Yeah.


Chingy

: Yeah, I typically claim that absolutely way less soles than individuals believe tend to be soles. In my opinion there’s a change between becoming a bottom and simply being unsure of or requesting what you want. I think those are a couple of completely different things that people conflate.


Christina

: I would must agree, In addition think the way that you explore bottoming is actually, I mean, let’s just state it, plenty significantly less aggravating as compared to way so many people talk about getting a base or determine with bottom part society. Because, i really do think exactly what a lot of people assert explicitly or non explicitly is just, Im sluggish and don’t care and attention doing any type of activity, task, et-cetera, I would like things done to me. And, basically need certainly to seek that call at in any manner, that hurts my feelings. And, you will be so excellent and thus effective at becoming, they are items that i’d like, bring these to me personally and that I will rock and roll your own world. This is certainly gorgeous for me.


Chingy

: many thanks, after all, that is what you have to do become effective in merely something, you must put yourself around and try making errors acquire hurt a bit, and, I am not sure, learn from it.


Christina

: In my opinion that’s a information, honestly.


Chingy

: i have only already been bottoming since I ended up being, I am not sure, as far back as I’m able to remember. [laughs]


Drew

: Cue “Rags to wealth” from

Goodfellas

.


Chingy

: Yeah, dating back to I’m able to remember, I always desired to end up being a bottom. No, but variety of, whenever I had been 13 or 14, I happened to be already taking a look at SADO MASO websites and lesbian SADOMASOCHISM internet sites. Very, I wasn’t under any delusions with what I became when it comes to, I became having women we dated in senior school choke me personally completely, I realized what I wanted. And, that level of consciousness recently given me a long time to know what i’d like and learn how to obtain it.


Christina

: Beautiful, received, provide myself your feelings on bottoming.


Drew

: Well, I’m actually really excited to talk about this simply because i’m like in 2019 {when I|as I|while

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